MAILBAG (& My “Carpe Diem” Contest): How To Approach A Woman
Got a GREAT mailbag question last Tuesday, and wanted to get it to you asap as it highlights some pretty common challenges guys face when approaching women.
Also, I’ve decided to hold a VERY special “Carpe Diem” contest (with some KILLER prizes) for guys willing to post a comment on their recent experiences approaching women. More on that at the end of this post.
Now, this guy’s note to me was great because it was an ACTUAL report.
A lot of notes that I get are very vague, and it’s hard for me to respond.
Not this guy though - he really outlines what happened, and what actions he took…which leads to more feedback.
(If you’re looking for feedback from me…try to follow this guy’s example when sending me your note.)
Let’s hear from him now:
“Stephen,
I did my first Engage. Here’s how it went.
I workout in a large park outside my apartment building.
I do interval training, and I get VERY dirty and smelly and sweaty. This park has water canals and all sorts of cool stuff to train on.”
(ME) COOL - being out and engaged in the world…the BEST time to meet women. Sargers take note!
“After my workout, I was walking towards the water fountains, and I suddenly saw this big brown dog come out of one of the canals carrying a yellow tennis ball. It startled me a little bit, but I just keep walking.The dog went over to this beautiful woman, sitting on one of the granite ledges near the canal. She was close by, and I was so startled I didn’t think twice. I just changed course a little to walk up the stairs near her.”
(ME) No hesitation, no second thoughts…the BEST way to approach. And a friendly dog never hurts either.
“As I got to perhaps ten feet, her dog jumped up and ran over to me.
I was already dirty and sweaty, so I didn’t mind petting the dog. (Actually, the dog was super friendly and sweet. I like dogs.)
The girl said “Abbey, come over hear! I’m sorry, she’s all wet. Abbey come here.”
I replied, “Hey, were over here getting a workout, were BOTH dirty and wet —- you just keep supervising. Hey, do you have a personal training certification?”
(ME) Great comment - it’s in the moment, and it’s humorous while also flirtatious.
Flirty and Funny (should I copyright that??) is the BEST combo when engaging using situational/environmental comments.
“She laughed, and right then the dog decided to shake all the water off her back. LOL I said, “Whoa! looks she’s in better shape than me.”
(ME) Self-effacing humor implies confidence and openness, which signals to women that you would be someone easy to speak with. She knows now that you are not loaded with arrogance, and she feels more comfortable as a result.
“She laughed again. Then we chatted about her dog for a while. Then about how we liked the canal. Then I kept it going until it was a little uncomfortable.”
(ME) OK - now this is where it gets interesting (to me). HOW did you know it was uncomfortable?
It was for you, perhaps, but are you sure it was for her? Why was it uncomfortable?
Getting outside of our comfort zone is GOOD. So, perhaps what we are seeing here is you simply outside of the realm of what you have usually done, and are now in an unfamiliar position. Good, this way you get to learn something.
Ultimately, something told you that this was now no longer “comfortable”…
Was it something she did? Were there awkward pauses? What’s the deal?
“I started back home again, and as I left I said “See you next time, but I’ll need to see your personal training certificate.”
She laughed again.”
(ME) Why couldn’t you say instead: “Well, gotta run home and clean up for my night. Been great chatting, how can we continue this some other time?” (the bold section there is a great way to ask a woman for her phone number)
You’d be surprised how simple it can be to get a number or email address, if you just ASK. So often, guys mistakenly think that women will broadcast a loud and clear message that they are interested in you…this is wrong.
In fact, if she stayed there for a few moments, laughed at your jokes, and didn’t disconnect the conversation, then she is probably open to exchanging numbers…seriously.
Next time, definitely go for it!
“Stephen, she talked to me and enjoyed it, even though I was literally covered in grime and sweat.”
(ME) Yep - there is never a WRONG time now is there…
“My second Engage was with a Russian woman I recognized from my local Barnes and Noble. I swear she was disappointed when I told her I had to go. It turns out that women migh tlike me, after all.
Cheers,
Adam”
Adam - THANKS for this…
Anyone see a bit of themselves in this back and forth??
You know, the only way to discover that women like you (and most of us, frankly) is to actually socialize with them (GASP).
This requires a bit of guile sometimes, but the price is well paid when you have eye-opening experiences like the one described here.
Just remember to continue to lean into your comfort zone, always always challenging it. Neil Strauss and I used to have a little game we’d play with each other, which was to ALWAYS go for the phone number. Even if the conversation seemed dead and lost, we would still go for the number.
What’s amazing is that very often, we would GET IT. Even in cases where I was convinced that she was not interested, if I was interested I went for the number. It showed me something very important about my comfort zone…
My/your comfort zone might not be connected with the truth.
It might be connected with the past, or insecurity …or both…but the only way to grow is to get out there, and get out of your comfort zone. THEN, take stock of the experience, and see more clearly afterwards what REALLY happened…
See what I mean?
“CARPE DIEM” CONTEST
Why do most men NEVER approach a woman? Very simple - they are scared. Fear paralyzes them so much that they cannot move towards a beautiful woman and start a conversation.
Know what? Back at Project Hollywood, I felt this ALL THE TIME. Very often though before approaching, I would say to myself “Carpe Diem Stephen, go for it”. You only live once, in other words…and the time is NOW to get out of the house and meet some women.
So, I’d like to hear YOUR experiences in approaching women and leaning into your comfort zone. All you have to do is post, as a comment to this thread, a recent experience where you approached a woman and went PAST the point of FEAR…and asked for her phone number (it does not matter if you get it or not, but you must ask for it).
Myself, and my small band of staffers here, will survey the replies and determine a Grand-Prize winner. What does the winner get??
A FREE “Get A Girlfriend Masters Program”, which includes:
- eBook “How To Get A Girlfriend” ($37 value)
- Audio Program “Natural Attraction” ($197 value)
- Audio Program “The Natural Art of the Pick-Up” ($127 value)
Now, the more specific, clear and evocative you are the better.
There will also be a 2nd & 3rd prize too:
- 2nd Prize - “The Natural Art of the Pick-Up”
- 3rd Prize - “How To Get A Girlfriend”
Ok? So, let me hear from you. The contest deadline is 2-weeks from today (Tuesday, March 9th) at 4pm (extended from 3/2!!) eastern. If you haven’t approached a woman in a long time, or even recently, don’t you think this might be a good time to kick into gear? I definitely do.
Stephen Nash.









TimB | Feb 25, 2010 | Reply
Great idea…OK, here’s a go at it:
Last night was out w some friends and we ended up at a house party here at campus. We were all hanging in the kitchen, when some cute girls recognized my buddy. They were chatting him up when one of them asked if I would grab her a beer from the fridge. She was OK looking, but I went ahead and did it. As I handed it to her though, I said:
“OK, if you accept this beer, you now know that you owe me…and I can refund this anytime tonite I want to”
She smiled and said “ha - I doubt that…”
I smiled and said “we’ll just see about that now won’t we”
Anyway, throughout the party I would see her and would approach her and say something ridiculous like:
“I’d like you to defend my honor vs that Asian girl over there…she just insulted me by ripping my shoes…please take her outside and whoop her ass”
or,
“Just went to the bathroom upstairs, and the sink could use a bit of cleaning…can you handle that?”
And on and on - everytime I did this she would laugh. The last time I did it, we actually chatted a bit and then I refunded my favor for her cell #.
Now, I haven’t called it yet but I will…let’s hope it’s for real.
Anyway, I love your blog man - have learned a lot here and from your eBook. Keep up the good work!
Tim B.
SergeyPUA | Feb 25, 2010 | Reply
Steven -
I have done many approaches but I never get the phone number. I always arrange for insta-date and if not then I drop it. Can I post insta-date? I do 4-5 approaches per day and usually get insta-date 1 per day.
Stephen Nash | Feb 25, 2010 | Reply
Definitely Sergey - please post insta-date examples.
And WOW, Tim - that ROCKS man…seriously. What a great example of high level flirting. You used a moment where she asked you something ordinary (get me a beer) and turned it into something rather special and funny. You showed her you were a cool fun guy. Totally a winning scenario and I’d be stunned if she wasn’t for real with her number.
Sn.
lowell suthard | Mar 3, 2010 | Reply
i haven’t a approarched a woman in a long time. currently, i am unemployed and looking for work. i do love looking a megan fox on the net. lol
Michael | Mar 3, 2010 | Reply
Well, this doesn’t count, because she was taken, but here is how it went anyway:
I was at Whole Foods yesterday, and saw this really cute girl shopping with her friend. She was looking for the Lara Bars (some sort of snack bar that tends to be loved by women–all natural, fruity and nutty, ect). I pipe in:
Mike “Hey, I’ll show you with the Lara Bars are, come with me!”
Girl: “Uh, OK!”
There was only one problem: I has no idea where the Lara Bars were!
Mike: {after we got to the end of the aisle} “Hey, I actually have no idea where those things are. I thought you were cute. Tell you what, we’ll find the Lara Bars together!”
Girl: LOL
Well, we found the bars, and I asked for her #, she smiled and said thanks. Then she showed me the ring on the fourth finger of her left hand…
I still thought that was pretty good though…
Cool mAR | Mar 3, 2010 | Reply
The silent killers impress to depress you after. Surely, most men like me are made to have their radar set on “high alert 24-7″. If the woman is identified and under my scope however, very first approach would be to find a common ground, otherwise she properly would think you’re a creep. I would use any instant-self-made-humor depicted via the environment, like for instance, if it’s a school, I might add things like, “this is a school for students, not models like you” and will pick up from there always building on humor and common grounds. May sound little cheesy but approach things with a warm honey melting smile and it does wonders. rejections are inevitable, at times and surely it will get you down. love advise? throw in some and lets share then.
Stephen Nash | Mar 4, 2010 | Reply
Hey Michael - good stuff man. Always check for the ring though, or at least I do, as I hate to get all involved with things and have it land with a thud at the end. Larabars are a favorite of mine actually. I like the idea of setting out on a mission, but I think it’s off to pretend that you know when you don’t. Instead, I’d take the approach to say “you know, I’ve been CRAVING some of those darn Larabars myself…I say lets pool our talents and see if we can’t find these together.”
Or something like that. In the end, it comes off as deceptive when I lead in a direction where I’m not sure of the destination. Also, worked with a client recently, and the Whole Foods - at least in NYC - are so PACKED with people that it’s hard to maneuver. Just a thought there.
Great stuff though. I always appreciate your input as you are ACTUALLY out there working at this.
Sn.
Jason | Mar 4, 2010 | Reply
The girl is someone who I’ve known for a few years. Not uber tight, but in my social circle so I see her every once in a while. Both being on campus and in the same faculty increases that amount during the school months.
*note* I don’t know how relevant this is, but in the summer I was stuck in the hospital for 5 weeks. I came out weak (almost bed ridden for the entire time along with having my stomach sliced open) and with an ileostomy for 4 months after. I was pretty self conscious about it, but through humour and grossing people out I was able to ‘normalize’ it.*note*
Recently (Fall 09) we started meeting up more frequently. My friend was holding quite a few house parties so I would always be letting her know a party would be going down on the weekend and I would see her there. Nothing out of the ordinary, just doing what I normally do with friends.
Eventually the end of November rolled around and I invited her to an event our students association was putting on. At that event, I started to get a different vibe from/around her. I’ve gotten that vibe before.
The vibe where I invite a friend to my sisters wedding, she invites me to her grad. Everyone says she is into me and I downplay everything. Even though I get go to a big family gathering of hers and I’ve gotten that ‘Doggie Dinner Bowl’ look(I hate using that slang).
The vibe where I invite another friend out to events and she shows up when normally she would decline invites from others. Where we go and get coffee for 4 hours even though we never really hang out at all otherwise.
When that vibes hits, I get nervous. It’s like this weird combo shutdown. I get very in my head, I feel I stop being me. Not really roboty, probably more ‘don’t fuck up’.
Both those times in the past, I never made a move. Never went with it. Just felt like shit knowing that I missed an opportunity once that vibe fades away. Heck I think the vibe maybe even gets replaced with nervousness.
So after that event I was like “fuck this, not going through all that
stuff again”. No more ifs or should ofs. Well, eventually … it took me three tries.
The first one I don’t even remember. The second one, we were selling milk and cookies to raise money to purchase a helper dog for an autistic kid. She came in to buy some m&c with her friend. I left because my buddy was serving them and I was frustrated so I just grabbed my things from my locker and left … at the same time she and her friend left. I was in no mind to strike up a conversation. I was already bitter about ‘missing out’ again.
I told myself on the ride home I would finally do it. The next day went as follows.
She and my friend are in the same discipline. I’ve attended their classes before (with my friend) to see what they are like (aka if they are really that boring). This time the class I was jumping in on was the last of the semester with a professor that yells at students. I went in for the
yelling, and by coincidence she was in the same class.
The class came and went, I survived without being noticed by the professor (I was told I would be eaten alive by the professor), and the professor did not deliver on the yelling at the class. Lucky for me I forgot my Carmex (amazing lip chap!) fell out of my bag (the girl was sitting near by and heard the Carmex fall and pointed it out to me) , so I ended up being one of the last to leave, and at the same time so did the girl.
I started to get a bit nervous. It all of a sudden felt weird walking beside her talking, just like what I used to be able to do no problem
before with her. A small lul came into our conversation. *Oh shit!*
“I have a question for you.”
“Are you single?”
“Yes.”
*Big blur here* Something along the lines of going out on the next
weekend.
“Sure.”
*Whip out my phone and ask her to put in her number*
*She is fumbling with the phone, states doesn’t know how to work a
Blackberry very well*
*while that happens my friend comes by and fake pick pockets my bag*
When that is pointed out to me, something weird happened. Those times, when all the stress just balls up inside of me. All that frustration. That ahhh! It’s kinda came out. Like the fake shaking a friend by the shoulders *ahhhh*. And that’s what happened. Just weird shake my friend by the shoulders all kinda slow-mo-ish. I’ve had that happen another time too(coincidentally around her). This weird exaggerated physical reaction. Not violent, but like intended comedy that seems a bit off so it didn’t feel ‘funny’ to me.
Ok, where were we.
So I just take the phone from her hands and start entering in her info. At this time, one of her friends walk up to us and ask her if “Everything is alright”. WOW. I guess me or both of us were really giving off nervous vibes. My friend replies “No everything is alright.” I finish entering in her number then I say good-bye and leave to go off to my class.
I did it.
: )
Stephen Nash | Mar 5, 2010 | Reply
Jason…
Man, this is AWESOME. Any update? Did you call her?
I’ve been there before, for sure. Often, when we really LIKE a girl, the nerves and anxiety can be overwhelming to the point of ‘freeze-up’, as you post so accurately reveals. But, the fact that you did it, that’s HUGE man.
Now, here’s a bit of intel I’ve discovered…which might surprise you. If she is really, truly interested in you - it doesn’t MATTER how you ask her out, or if you fumble a bit, or if you’re not totally smooth at it. If she’s interested, she will frame all of that as “charming” & “cute”. But, if she’s not actually interested/attracted to you, she will frame it all as “he was too nervous”, or “I just didn’t feel it…” etc.
I say that to relieve you - and anyone else reading this - of the BURDEN of performance. It actually doesn’t matter. If she’s into you, she’ll say yes; if not, she’ll say no. I hope that helps to relax guys into going for it more.
For example - a few years ago I was asked to perform at a party as a heroin addicted homeless person. So, I didn’t shave or shower for a week, I wore shitty clothes, and otherwise was repulsive and gross. Once I was ‘offstage’ the cutest girl at the party came right up to me and was amazed at the performance etc. I dated her for 6 months after that. Clearly, this was not the smooth, polished entree us guys dream about…no, rather, it was sincere, unique and - ME.
This is why developing YOU is the issue…not what to say and how to say it.
Great post man! Please give us an update.
Sn.
Michael | Mar 5, 2010 | Reply
This one was kind of embarrassing, but I learned a lesson.
I saw an a girl who was just my type physically at Whole Foods. So I went up to her and said hi as she was walking out with her groceries.
CuteGirl: “Hey, how have you been?
Me: “Good!” {seeing as she was about to turn off} “Hey, I gotta say, I think you are really cute…”
CuteGirl: {acknowledging my comment} “We’ve talked before. I was wearing a hat. Over by the salad bar…”
THAT was a surprise. I’m usually pretty good at remembering people I meet (I’m fairly selective, so I don’t direct approach that often), but for some reason, I was pulling a blank on ever meeting her. I felt embarrassed. I do NOT want to come across as ‘that guy’, and she actually seemed pretty nice.
(It turns out that we did talk to each other a couple months ago, when she was wearing a hat. But we only talked for a couple of moments.)
Me: {trying to play it off as a joke} “Well, I guess you are just as cute now!”
Yeah, not too smooth. And my attempt at saving the interaction didn’t work.
Anyway, lesson learned. Direct approaching a girl who has seen around before (without acknowledging that fact) can look a little suspect in some situations. This is a challenge that guys who aren’t in a big city (such as myself) face. There’s a tendency to see the same people around, even if you never talk to them. Paradoxically, this might be more of a challenge for guys who are good-looking, because then the woman will be more likely to have remembered seeing you around.
If there is some doubt about whether you’ve seen her around before, perhaps it’s best to go indirect, and then say something like “Haven’t I seen you before?” and then (if appropriate) follow up with “Well, I’m glad I came over and talked to you anyway.” In this case, I should have followed up her cue of “How have you been” with “Hey, I’m trying to remember where I met you” and then maybe “If I had met you, believe me, I would remember!”
A learning experience! C’est la vie.
Matt | Mar 7, 2010 | Reply
Okay, friday i went to this small concert with some freinds. Mostly acoustic shit. We sat down on the floor infront of the dude playin. Inbetween songs I talked to these real hot asian girls on my right side about this guy playing or this one girl from my school about Invisble Children. Invisible children is about ending the use of child soliders in Uganda. Check it out.
Anyway, I got up to go to the bathroom. There was 2 girls waiting line. SWEET! One of them went into the bathroom. I talked to her freind about what was written on her hand. (The dude had to draw stuff on your hand when you got in.) I got a lightning bolt,BAM! She got the Triforce, from the legend of zelda. We talked about Super Nintendo. She went into the bathroom. Her freind came out.
We talked about making music. while we were in line they were setting up the room for a dance party. Anyway i went into the bathroom. When i came out i started dancing with those girls i met. Then i saw my freind i came with.
We cleared a big spot on the dance floor. i stood on one end he on the other. I very shot him with my finger very stylish and he fell backwards to be caught by these 2 guys who threw him to his feet, he spun in the air and did the splits. This was to that jerk song. Everyone went WILD!!!
I started dancing with those girls again but now they were grindin on me. I chalenged these girls next to us to get low. ha they couldnt get as low as me! I started dancing with one of them and me and her went to the side to chat. Shes a roadie and she introduced me to this guy who was playin that everybody loved.
This dude was fuckin awesome. He was sittin behind a table sellin his Cds. Whenever i got tired of dancing id come over their and shoot the shit. Anyway it was gettin mad hot in their so i went outside and talked to these dude smokin and bummed a puff. I went back in and started joking around with the dude drawing on peoples hands. He said he wanted to dance so i took his spot.
I would chat up all the girls waiting to get picked up. I am in highschool and their was mostly highschoolers there. only 5 more people came in and i wrote my number on all their hands, even dudes! The original door guy came back and i sat on the steps next to this group of five girls. They recognized me from the dancefloor shooting and they all introduced themselves. I told them to reintroduce themselves in 3 minutes cause i have mad ADHD and i would forget their names soon. They gotta kick outta that. I made that up on the spot because it was true but you can use that line if you want.
Well i met and danced with more girls, including my sisters hot freinds. They all heard about the funny shit id get into from my sister so i guess you can call that a warm approach. I also started freak dancing with this real hot older girl. Her freind that i had met at the door told her that i was 16 and man she like ran away!! Didnt want to be a pedo! I guess im old looking despite my patchy ass facial hair and acne!
So recap i got no numbers or anything but had the time of my fucking life!! No numbers(didnt ask for any) but i also got no boring conversations, no alkward pauses and no rejection. If you go out to have fun and not pick up chicks, the chicks will come
anyway! Thats what I learned. I hope i get your book! I have no credit card so i could never buy it. Id like to get started with becoming an incredible ladies man early and life, so i dont hafta pay for expensive ass dinners when I am older.
Michael | Mar 8, 2010 | Reply
Saturday early afternoon, I just got back from my Crossfit workout and having lunch with the group. (I would highly recommend Crossfit by the way–you will get into amazing shape, and because you’re going through this physical hell with other like-minded people–including hot athletic women in amazing shape themselves–you will make friends quickly.) Anyway, I stop at Whole Foods in my workout garb.
I see a woman in her workout garb. I ask her how her workout was. We get into a brief conversation (like, 1 minute). I see she has sushi. I ask her if she wants to join me for lunch. She says that she cannot. So I offer “How about some other time?” She asks if I have a card. I tell her (nicely!) to give me her #.
I pull out my phone and get her #. I plan on calling her tonight.
Stephen Nash | Mar 8, 2010 | Reply
Solid stuff Matt - keep it up! Next time, try to see which girl you dig the most and go for it - get her number. Don’t worry about how to ask, etc. Just do it (I’ve heard that before).
Michael - Crossfit, eh? I’m thinking of my next month’s Carpe Diem contest…wanting to get guys out in the world and MOVING. That could be an interesting inclusion.
EVERYONE - this contest is not over (though we have some solid contributions). Make the next 24 hours count. Get out there and APPROACH! If you’re on the east coast (NYC) you have no excuses - it’s beautiful out!
Stephen.
Jason | Mar 9, 2010 | Reply
Hey Stephen, here is the follow up.
So she gave me her number, now the ball was in my court again.
A few days after I was meeting up with my friend on campus. I talked to her about my recent improvements and she was excited and supportive. Talking to her was reassuring to me so I placed the call while she was sitting with me.
I called and we set up a time I would pick her up.
According to my friend I sounded ‘cool’ for the Hi, and after that I went to excited Jason.
Our schedules were very tight because of finals, mine a bit worse because all of them were moved up so I could get operated on and be out of the hospital before Christmas.
So, the night comes and lucky me it’s on one of the coldest days we would have this winter. Insane wind chill!
So I picked her up and we hit up mini golfing first. I felt it was a good combo. Something to do, along with being able to talk and get to know more about each other.
On the last hole, we bet that the loser buys Blizzards. Delicious even though it’s the middle of winter and more time to chill. I win, we switch to DQ and mmmm Oreo Blizzards. More talking and then I drive her home.
I was a bit disappointed in myself. Maybe I set to high of expectations for me, but there were a few things that bugged me. One, I still had part of that ‘combo shutdown vibe’ or ‘don’t fuck up’. Normally I’m a touchy person. Hugs, high fives, gangster handshakes, touching people, etc. It makes me feel comfortable and is a sign I’m comfortable around someone else too.
But with her I kinda had a bubble going, like I was keeping my distance. (Something about personal space I’m guessing because right now in my dance classes I notice even there I seem to have trouble stepping into that space.) So the most physical interaction I could muster was a weak ass high five.
Two I feel I’m a good listener. I care, I do my best to ask open questions, I stay away from interview stuff, I try to get an idea about them and how they feel and it helps me paint a picture of what they are talking about in my head. So during mini golf and the later I felt I was doing good at listening, asking questions, but for my contributions I was a bit disheartened. I had trouble expressing myself, which frustrated me because I wanted to contribute and share a part of myself back.
So afterwards I felt bad. I felt like I messed everything up. All the energy, worry, etc was wasted because I couldn’t ‘be me’ around her.(This is a common theme with me, not giving myself enough credit and focusing on the negative).
Anyways, I regroup study my butt off and write my last finals and head to the hospital to get my ileostomy reversed (Woooo!). I got an invite to her birthday (which I’ve never been invited to before) but I was recovering in the hospital so it was a no go. I started sending the odd text here and there from then on till school started and things were doing pretty decent, both of us busy with holidays.
Stephen Nash | Mar 9, 2010 | Reply
So, have you called her yet in the last 24 hrs? Dude - it’s time to up the ante. Am I right in reading this all happened around the holidays?? You gotta lean into this one a bit and go for it. Here’s the thing - if she digs you, she’ll go for it. If not, she won’t. Doesn’t matter how you say anything, if you wear the right clothing, etc. She might have had an awesome time and simply figured you didn’t…
Stephen.
PS - correct me if I’m wrong please re: the timing here.
TimB | Mar 9, 2010 | Reply
Hey Stephen -
Not too late am I?
So, I called her…and we’ve been out now twice (in the last week). I used some of your first date tips and it’s been ROCKING dude. Seriously.
I was nervous when I rang her, but when I said it was Tim…she gave me that all important excited “Hey!”. I knew from then that I was in.
I’ve been doing more approaches since, and have scored a few more numbers, but I’m digging this girl and it’s definitely slowed my approach fever. Normal? Maybe I should still be approachig?
Anyway, glad I’m not too late for the contest. AND, more to the point, Stephen - MAN - you rock. Seriously dudes - pay attention to this man.
~Tim
Stephen Nash | Mar 10, 2010 | Reply
The winners have been posted right here:
http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2010/03/10/and-the-winner-isfeb-carpe-diem-contest-wrap-up/
Winners - be in touch with me soon!
Sn.