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		<title>By: Stephen Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2009/05/26/why-you-should-be-saying-lets-just-be-friends/#comment-16708</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean...

Poor guy.  Dude, websites track IP addresses - which means I can blatantly see that you posted as &quot;Elaine&quot;.  Nice one.  Next time, run down to the internet cafe and post as &quot;Samantha&quot; under a different IP.  That is, if you can pull yourself away from your beloved video games &amp; porn.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean&#8230;</p>
<p>Poor guy.  Dude, websites track IP addresses &#8211; which means I can blatantly see that you posted as &#8220;Elaine&#8221;.  Nice one.  Next time, run down to the internet cafe and post as &#8220;Samantha&#8221; under a different IP.  That is, if you can pull yourself away from your beloved video games &#038; porn.</p>
<p>Sn.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it looks like one person here does know women. And unfortunately that&#039;s not  the person peddling his wares and selling his &quot;videos&quot; on this site.  Poor stephen nash, has the name of a famous basketball player, yet is as pedantic with his total lack of empathy and insight into women as the vast majority I encounter daily. This Sean person seems to have a real understanding of women (and he&#039;s right, it does come from inside and cannot be tought or learned) and it&#039;s unfortunate he has to deal with chauvenistic, egotistical, clueless male wolfs in sheep clothings who scour the internet for all their &quot;dating knowledge&quot; so they can spout off on a blog or a facebook page such as this guy Nash apparently does. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it looks like one person here does know women. And unfortunately that&#8217;s not  the person peddling his wares and selling his &#8220;videos&#8221; on this site.  Poor stephen nash, has the name of a famous basketball player, yet is as pedantic with his total lack of empathy and insight into women as the vast majority I encounter daily. This Sean person seems to have a real understanding of women (and he&#8217;s right, it does come from inside and cannot be tought or learned) and it&#8217;s unfortunate he has to deal with chauvenistic, egotistical, clueless male wolfs in sheep clothings who scour the internet for all their &#8220;dating knowledge&#8221; so they can spout off on a blog or a facebook page such as this guy Nash apparently does. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2009/05/26/why-you-should-be-saying-lets-just-be-friends/#comment-16685</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean -

Stop reading books (and blogs for that matter) and get out into the world for some actual experience man, and then...post THAT.  Let&#039;s hear some actual experience rather than more of these breezy comments:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/CMon-Man/156086759101

;)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean -</p>
<p>Stop reading books (and blogs for that matter) and get out into the world for some actual experience man, and then&#8230;post THAT.  Let&#8217;s hear some actual experience rather than more of these breezy comments:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/CMon-Man/156086759101" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/pages/CMon-Man/156086759101</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sn.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2009/05/26/why-you-should-be-saying-lets-just-be-friends/#comment-16682</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see someone is actually reading these &#039;forums&#039;. I didn&#039;t get to see them until like 2 years after everyone left I take it. The author is still here though ;)
Read my comments on all your &#039;sections&#039; of the female psychology site. The problem here is that you and most guys are too consumed with measuring up to other guys and what society wants you to believe is some sort of norms. When in the fact the tpyical norms for guys equals lonely bitter loserdom. I am proud to be way different.

And yes it is genetically beat into you to believe that women are so &quot;different&quot; or difficult to get, read, or understand. Well never been that way for me. I have a harder time relating to -, understanding, and feeling any connection with my own gender than I have ever had with women. I fully get them close to 100% I&#039;m not perfect, nobody is. 

But I will put my natural insight into them up againts any other guys out there. Even those who have far more sexual experience. because I don&#039;t care about sex, I care about building a long lasting monogamous  relationship built on love with a girl. 

And I definitely know what they want, need, and how to give it to them. It&#039;s just a question of bypassing alot of the crap from the negative effects many women have received (and expect) from the majority of other  guys out there. Causing many women to continue to think that we are all the same. Just as you are programmed to think all women are the same and should be somehow seen as this puzzle that can&#039;t be solved. Or that some scientifical repetitive logical formula will work to &quot;seduce&quot; everyone of them.

 All mere myths. And fallacies that many guys will sadly be forced to live loneliness with. And what you choose to believe from a male controlled society that will continue to try and dominate, force their views/will on, hold back, objectify, and degrade every woman that gets in their way of success or ego. 

And I detect in the tone of that short passage that you really don&#039;t want to hold women as &#039;equals&#039;. So why profess to be supporting women&#039;s rights and feminism. Take it from a real feminist, your so called positive view and honorable aspirations with women seem as hollow and disingenuous asmost guys&#039;. 

And you better believe that the right girl will complete me emotionally, spiritually, physically, every conceivable way. Maybe you don&#039;t get it because you don&#039;t have a grasp on your (or females&#039;) true feelings and emotions. Instead you try to &quot;think&quot; your way into or out of everything. And the more you get locked into your typical male trappings, the further you will get from truly understanding just how similar guys and girls really are (on the inside).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see someone is actually reading these &#8216;forums&#8217;. I didn&#8217;t get to see them until like 2 years after everyone left I take it. The author is still here though <img src='http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Read my comments on all your &#8216;sections&#8217; of the female psychology site. The problem here is that you and most guys are too consumed with measuring up to other guys and what society wants you to believe is some sort of norms. When in the fact the tpyical norms for guys equals lonely bitter loserdom. I am proud to be way different.</p>
<p>And yes it is genetically beat into you to believe that women are so &#8220;different&#8221; or difficult to get, read, or understand. Well never been that way for me. I have a harder time relating to -, understanding, and feeling any connection with my own gender than I have ever had with women. I fully get them close to 100% I&#8217;m not perfect, nobody is. </p>
<p>But I will put my natural insight into them up againts any other guys out there. Even those who have far more sexual experience. because I don&#8217;t care about sex, I care about building a long lasting monogamous  relationship built on love with a girl. </p>
<p>And I definitely know what they want, need, and how to give it to them. It&#8217;s just a question of bypassing alot of the crap from the negative effects many women have received (and expect) from the majority of other  guys out there. Causing many women to continue to think that we are all the same. Just as you are programmed to think all women are the same and should be somehow seen as this puzzle that can&#8217;t be solved. Or that some scientifical repetitive logical formula will work to &#8220;seduce&#8221; everyone of them.</p>
<p> All mere myths. And fallacies that many guys will sadly be forced to live loneliness with. And what you choose to believe from a male controlled society that will continue to try and dominate, force their views/will on, hold back, objectify, and degrade every woman that gets in their way of success or ego. </p>
<p>And I detect in the tone of that short passage that you really don&#8217;t want to hold women as &#8216;equals&#8217;. So why profess to be supporting women&#8217;s rights and feminism. Take it from a real feminist, your so called positive view and honorable aspirations with women seem as hollow and disingenuous asmost guys&#8217;. </p>
<p>And you better believe that the right girl will complete me emotionally, spiritually, physically, every conceivable way. Maybe you don&#8217;t get it because you don&#8217;t have a grasp on your (or females&#8217;) true feelings and emotions. Instead you try to &#8220;think&#8221; your way into or out of everything. And the more you get locked into your typical male trappings, the further you will get from truly understanding just how similar guys and girls really are (on the inside).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean -

Thanks for your comments man.  Are you actually IN a relationship?  I have a sneaky suspicion that what we&#039;re hearing from you here is a guy with too many ideas and not enough experiences.  Also, beware of holding women up too high bro - they are equals, but very different from men - AND they can&#039;t complete you emotionally, or in any way frankly.  From your posts, I&#039;m not sure you really get that.

Sn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean -</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments man.  Are you actually IN a relationship?  I have a sneaky suspicion that what we&#8217;re hearing from you here is a guy with too many ideas and not enough experiences.  Also, beware of holding women up too high bro &#8211; they are equals, but very different from men &#8211; AND they can&#8217;t complete you emotionally, or in any way frankly.  From your posts, I&#8217;m not sure you really get that.</p>
<p>Sn.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2009/05/26/why-you-should-be-saying-lets-just-be-friends/#comment-16679</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 02:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article may have made  some of the respect I never had for this guy in the beginning return. Very strange way of seeing things. And the parts I agree with and relate to are where he clearly resists his typical male urges in favor of truly seeing how beautiful (on the inside) women are. Not that they are all his potential or fantasy sex dates. They need to be appreciated, respected, and held as equals from the start. Respect and know yourself. Then turn those feelings over to her. But here&#039;s where I differ. In theory friends first sounds great, but in practice not so much. 

How many women out there once they put a guy in the so called friend zone ever really come back from there to see that same guy as a romantic interest. I mean a viable lasting one. Not too many. This is true female psychology to know that once you are put in that friend zone (compartmentalized), it burns that impression and image of you into their hearts, minds, souls, etc. You can be the nicest, most thoughtful, caring  guy, show her so much onso many levels. But it is not going to change things. In most cases, it won&#039;t. There are some cases and girls where it will. But most, I vote for the forever friend tag being branded on your forehead. It&#039;s just the way it goes. You can seek friendship with a girl, but also show her that sexual interest that will at least get her seeing you in that way as a possibility. Even sending her mixed messages is fine. because honestly the more mysterious, intriguing, less predictable, different, you truly are... The more sexy you will come across to most girls.

I believe you must be everything to her anyway. And vice versa.  Contrary to how most visually/physically/logically oriented males think. Yes they think too much, that is the problem. Not enough feeling. They think that it&#039;s all or nothing. They must get her in bed and will sell their soul to do so. But 

I believe she should be everything to you. Spiritually, emotionally, physically, etc. She should be everything that you love in every sense. From the inside on out. I myself can only be attracted to a girl physically once I am attrcated emotionally. Yes I may have the typical male urges, but I never give them much power in my world. There are a million pretty faces, and not anywhere near as much beauty on the inside of the ones you meet. And my attrcation to females is so much stronger emotionally that it can ever be on such superficial misguided levels that most males make an artform. 

Girls are so special, once you truly see them for what is amazing below the surface! So many things inside of them that are irresistable nuances most guys freely pass up or are blind to in their so called quests for the physical gratification that takes them absolutely nowhere. All that gratification does is lead to the need for more and this self-defeating lonely cycle never gets guys anywhere.

Back to the whole &#039;stop objectifying&#039; rule. Stop it. Because as soon as you do it, you pretty much kill your chances at a strong lasting monogamous relationship. And no matter what you become, it will never satisfy what you truly feel inside and certainly not what she experiences in her scope of existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article may have made  some of the respect I never had for this guy in the beginning return. Very strange way of seeing things. And the parts I agree with and relate to are where he clearly resists his typical male urges in favor of truly seeing how beautiful (on the inside) women are. Not that they are all his potential or fantasy sex dates. They need to be appreciated, respected, and held as equals from the start. Respect and know yourself. Then turn those feelings over to her. But here&#8217;s where I differ. In theory friends first sounds great, but in practice not so much. </p>
<p>How many women out there once they put a guy in the so called friend zone ever really come back from there to see that same guy as a romantic interest. I mean a viable lasting one. Not too many. This is true female psychology to know that once you are put in that friend zone (compartmentalized), it burns that impression and image of you into their hearts, minds, souls, etc. You can be the nicest, most thoughtful, caring  guy, show her so much onso many levels. But it is not going to change things. In most cases, it won&#8217;t. There are some cases and girls where it will. But most, I vote for the forever friend tag being branded on your forehead. It&#8217;s just the way it goes. You can seek friendship with a girl, but also show her that sexual interest that will at least get her seeing you in that way as a possibility. Even sending her mixed messages is fine. because honestly the more mysterious, intriguing, less predictable, different, you truly are&#8230; The more sexy you will come across to most girls.</p>
<p>I believe you must be everything to her anyway. And vice versa.  Contrary to how most visually/physically/logically oriented males think. Yes they think too much, that is the problem. Not enough feeling. They think that it&#8217;s all or nothing. They must get her in bed and will sell their soul to do so. But </p>
<p>I believe she should be everything to you. Spiritually, emotionally, physically, etc. She should be everything that you love in every sense. From the inside on out. I myself can only be attracted to a girl physically once I am attrcated emotionally. Yes I may have the typical male urges, but I never give them much power in my world. There are a million pretty faces, and not anywhere near as much beauty on the inside of the ones you meet. And my attrcation to females is so much stronger emotionally that it can ever be on such superficial misguided levels that most males make an artform. </p>
<p>Girls are so special, once you truly see them for what is amazing below the surface! So many things inside of them that are irresistable nuances most guys freely pass up or are blind to in their so called quests for the physical gratification that takes them absolutely nowhere. All that gratification does is lead to the need for more and this self-defeating lonely cycle never gets guys anywhere.</p>
<p>Back to the whole &#8216;stop objectifying&#8217; rule. Stop it. Because as soon as you do it, you pretty much kill your chances at a strong lasting monogamous relationship. And no matter what you become, it will never satisfy what you truly feel inside and certainly not what she experiences in her scope of existence.</p>
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		<title>By: oscarino</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscarino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the very first time I am not reading about the same old bullshit about the &quot;Friend Zone&quot;. 
Great post, great discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the very first time I am not reading about the same old bullshit about the &#8220;Friend Zone&#8221;.<br />
Great post, great discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Magikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say &quot;The basis for that foundation is a strong connection - a friendship.&quot; In your other article you point out the 2 Male Attraction Stages: 1. Physical and 2. Emotional/Feminine
The 2nd connection would transform into love eventually from my experience. So what about that connection?
Isn&#039;t that more important in a romantical relationship than the friend-connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say &#8220;The basis for that foundation is a strong connection &#8211; a friendship.&#8221; In your other article you point out the 2 Male Attraction Stages: 1. Physical and 2. Emotional/Feminine<br />
The 2nd connection would transform into love eventually from my experience. So what about that connection?<br />
Isn&#8217;t that more important in a romantical relationship than the friend-connection?</p>
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		<title>By: Online Dating Product Review</title>
		<link>http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2009/05/26/why-you-should-be-saying-lets-just-be-friends/#comment-14862</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Dating Product Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this guy&#039;s advice. Different but if you think carefully, they stand out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this guy&#8217;s advice. Different but if you think carefully, they stand out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ascendus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ascendus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem is that there are very few women that have the same interests as me, or should I say there are 100x more men; hence, they are totally built up with all the attention even if they below average. I have way more details on this, but that is too long for here.

The second issue is that I am not into the highschool games that occurr when you rely on a social circle and all the girls try to date one guy and all the guys try to date a couple of the girls.  To be quite honest there are no physically attractive women in my social circle because they are too busy dating.

Finally, there has only been one instance of a girl in a social circle that showed interest in me.  

Now, I am commenting on this as after several &quot;dates&quot; with the same girl, I realized with the help of a friend that she wanted to just be friends; however, it was in fact a costly friendship.  Hence, I am open to trying something new; however, the do what you enjoy and you will meet someone has happened for me except the girl found like 100x other guys and I was not one of the top 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem is that there are very few women that have the same interests as me, or should I say there are 100x more men; hence, they are totally built up with all the attention even if they below average. I have way more details on this, but that is too long for here.</p>
<p>The second issue is that I am not into the highschool games that occurr when you rely on a social circle and all the girls try to date one guy and all the guys try to date a couple of the girls.  To be quite honest there are no physically attractive women in my social circle because they are too busy dating.</p>
<p>Finally, there has only been one instance of a girl in a social circle that showed interest in me.  </p>
<p>Now, I am commenting on this as after several &#8220;dates&#8221; with the same girl, I realized with the help of a friend that she wanted to just be friends; however, it was in fact a costly friendship.  Hence, I am open to trying something new; however, the do what you enjoy and you will meet someone has happened for me except the girl found like 100x other guys and I was not one of the top 10.</p>
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