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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. When I came into The Community, I had no idea why I wasn&#039;t attracting women. Even though I did find myself going down the wrong path on occasion, I am appreciative about getting some reference points to start from. Anyway, (hopefully) the &#039;himself&#039; a guy is left with is a much better version than he was before:

--He is far more at ease with himself in a variety of social situations.

--He takes responsibility for his life, both the good aspects of it and that which he needs to work on. This involves action.

--His life is now filled with meaningful goals and pursuits. He has a mission bigger than getting laid. 

--He handles stressful situations far more calmly than before.

--He goes for what he wants in life.

--And yes, he knows how to flirt, tell stories, and is able to read a woman&#039;s signs, has the outer-game social skills.

--He doesn&#039;t supplicate or give his power away to anyone. Including a girl he is attracted to.



I&#039;m not all the way there yet, but I am working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. When I came into The Community, I had no idea why I wasn&#8217;t attracting women. Even though I did find myself going down the wrong path on occasion, I am appreciative about getting some reference points to start from. Anyway, (hopefully) the &#8216;himself&#8217; a guy is left with is a much better version than he was before:</p>
<p>&#8211;He is far more at ease with himself in a variety of social situations.</p>
<p>&#8211;He takes responsibility for his life, both the good aspects of it and that which he needs to work on. This involves action.</p>
<p>&#8211;His life is now filled with meaningful goals and pursuits. He has a mission bigger than getting laid. </p>
<p>&#8211;He handles stressful situations far more calmly than before.</p>
<p>&#8211;He goes for what he wants in life.</p>
<p>&#8211;And yes, he knows how to flirt, tell stories, and is able to read a woman&#8217;s signs, has the outer-game social skills.</p>
<p>&#8211;He doesn&#8217;t supplicate or give his power away to anyone. Including a girl he is attracted to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not all the way there yet, but I am working on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Michael.  I agree, the community teaches &quot;beginner&quot; level attraction/rules/attitudes.  Which, for guys who have low to no skill (like me when I discovered it), is a GOD-SEND.  But, at a certain point, known only to each individual, one MUST move on - otherwise, he stays in the same spot and will find himself attracting the same girl over and over again...

Also, at a certain point (past all the beginner stuff) it DOES become all inner-game - but only once a guy has the other stuff &#039;down&#039;.  He&#039;ll eventually find himself left with...himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Michael.  I agree, the community teaches &#8220;beginner&#8221; level attraction/rules/attitudes.  Which, for guys who have low to no skill (like me when I discovered it), is a GOD-SEND.  But, at a certain point, known only to each individual, one MUST move on &#8211; otherwise, he stays in the same spot and will find himself attracting the same girl over and over again&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, at a certain point (past all the beginner stuff) it DOES become all inner-game &#8211; but only once a guy has the other stuff &#8216;down&#8217;.  He&#8217;ll eventually find himself left with&#8230;himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the thing that The Community is really good at is teaching &#039;faux&#039; masculinity--these little snippets of behavior that resemble the behaviors of a natural. It&#039;s not all bad. Just as Cameron wrote, it gives guys a reference point to start with. And success with women is NOT all &#039;inner game&#039;. For example, there&#039;s a certain time frame of how long to call a girl after you get her #, and a guy runs the risk of turning her off if he deviates too far from that, even if it&#039;s for all the &#039;right&#039; reasons.

The problems come when guys don&#039;t graduate onto the big picture, when they don&#039;t see how these snippets of behavior they&#039;ve learned fit into (or don&#039;t) the context of a mature masculinity, and what women really crave in a man. So while we all have to start somewhere, we eventually need to graduate and move on.

By the way guys, if something has become &quot;overdone&quot; to the point where &quot;women see through it&quot;, then it is a sign that it never really was the answer. I mean, think about it: Would any of us object if seemingly every woman around us now has both supermodel looks and a friendly, giving, genuine personality to go with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the thing that The Community is really good at is teaching &#8216;faux&#8217; masculinity&#8211;these little snippets of behavior that resemble the behaviors of a natural. It&#8217;s not all bad. Just as Cameron wrote, it gives guys a reference point to start with. And success with women is NOT all &#8216;inner game&#8217;. For example, there&#8217;s a certain time frame of how long to call a girl after you get her #, and a guy runs the risk of turning her off if he deviates too far from that, even if it&#8217;s for all the &#8216;right&#8217; reasons.</p>
<p>The problems come when guys don&#8217;t graduate onto the big picture, when they don&#8217;t see how these snippets of behavior they&#8217;ve learned fit into (or don&#8217;t) the context of a mature masculinity, and what women really crave in a man. So while we all have to start somewhere, we eventually need to graduate and move on.</p>
<p>By the way guys, if something has become &#8220;overdone&#8221; to the point where &#8220;women see through it&#8221;, then it is a sign that it never really was the answer. I mean, think about it: Would any of us object if seemingly every woman around us now has both supermodel looks and a friendly, giving, genuine personality to go with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No i live in the UK, and im 29 also. Maybe in places like LA and New York everyones at it but not here. I see clueless guys all the time, and talk to alot of women who tell me how clueless most guys are. I hear some really funny stories lol. I tried to turn some guy friends to the seduction community but theyre too caught up in their own ego to do anything. 

I just want to comment on this part of the article:

&quot;Back when I was reading dating advice, I remember someone asking a question from the cocky/funny guru regarding its usage. He asked, “I used some lines to tease her. She was eating it up and having a good time. At what point should I stop?”

&quot;The writer of cocky/funny manifesto replied back, “What is wrong with you? What would you ever stop busting her balls? That’s what has gotten you thus far. Why would you ever stop now?”
That, right there, is perhaps one of the single worst pieces of advice ever written on dating. After incessantly “Busting her balls” on a date, I once had a woman tell me that she wasn’t enjoying our interaction and that she wanted to go home. It was a bit disturbing to me, since I was following the cocky/funny motto and berating her nonstop. Hey, by all accounts she should have been all over me. With that much cocky/funny, she should have been proposing marriage to me. I guess she just didn’t like being picked on by some guy who had asked her out on a date.&quot;

You&#039;re saying David D gave him really bad dating advice? All he was saying was why would u stop doing what works and got her attracted to u in the first place! The differences there was that he said she was &quot;eating it up and having a good time&quot;
Where as the girl u did it on wasnt enjoying the interaction and &quot;wanted to go home&quot; 

I think alot of this is just plain common sense. Its obvious u wouldnt use c/f with every single thing that comes out of your mouth. That&#039;d be just stupid. Like anything in life, balance is key. I mean do that many guys have no common sense and are that socially unintelligent and uncalibrated?  

Also this:

&quot;It’s not that the people promoting cocky/funny manifesto necessarily had bad intentions or meant to dupe or deceive you. It’s just that they did not know any better themselves. They were not touting advice because they had discovered something that worked for them. Rather, they were making observations of other people that had a working model, but the observers never understood the nuts and bolts of it. They didn’t understand the nuances of it. On top of that, they weren’t really guys who understood dating and attraction. They were marketers.&quot;

So hang on, we&#039;re talking about David D here right. We all know hes the guy who promotes c/f and he&#039;s a great marketer. But he doesnt understand dating and attraction? He wrote a whole book on attraction called &#039;Attraction Isn&#039;t A Choice&#039; not to mention all the other stuff he&#039;s done. If he was a fraud he would have been outed by now. U can clearly see in his programs hes a confident and funny guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No i live in the UK, and im 29 also. Maybe in places like LA and New York everyones at it but not here. I see clueless guys all the time, and talk to alot of women who tell me how clueless most guys are. I hear some really funny stories lol. I tried to turn some guy friends to the seduction community but theyre too caught up in their own ego to do anything. </p>
<p>I just want to comment on this part of the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Back when I was reading dating advice, I remember someone asking a question from the cocky/funny guru regarding its usage. He asked, “I used some lines to tease her. She was eating it up and having a good time. At what point should I stop?”</p>
<p>&#8220;The writer of cocky/funny manifesto replied back, “What is wrong with you? What would you ever stop busting her balls? That’s what has gotten you thus far. Why would you ever stop now?”<br />
That, right there, is perhaps one of the single worst pieces of advice ever written on dating. After incessantly “Busting her balls” on a date, I once had a woman tell me that she wasn’t enjoying our interaction and that she wanted to go home. It was a bit disturbing to me, since I was following the cocky/funny motto and berating her nonstop. Hey, by all accounts she should have been all over me. With that much cocky/funny, she should have been proposing marriage to me. I guess she just didn’t like being picked on by some guy who had asked her out on a date.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re saying David D gave him really bad dating advice? All he was saying was why would u stop doing what works and got her attracted to u in the first place! The differences there was that he said she was &#8220;eating it up and having a good time&#8221;<br />
Where as the girl u did it on wasnt enjoying the interaction and &#8220;wanted to go home&#8221; </p>
<p>I think alot of this is just plain common sense. Its obvious u wouldnt use c/f with every single thing that comes out of your mouth. That&#8217;d be just stupid. Like anything in life, balance is key. I mean do that many guys have no common sense and are that socially unintelligent and uncalibrated?  </p>
<p>Also this:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s not that the people promoting cocky/funny manifesto necessarily had bad intentions or meant to dupe or deceive you. It’s just that they did not know any better themselves. They were not touting advice because they had discovered something that worked for them. Rather, they were making observations of other people that had a working model, but the observers never understood the nuts and bolts of it. They didn’t understand the nuances of it. On top of that, they weren’t really guys who understood dating and attraction. They were marketers.&#8221;</p>
<p>So hang on, we&#8217;re talking about David D here right. We all know hes the guy who promotes c/f and he&#8217;s a great marketer. But he doesnt understand dating and attraction? He wrote a whole book on attraction called &#8216;Attraction Isn&#8217;t A Choice&#8217; not to mention all the other stuff he&#8217;s done. If he was a fraud he would have been outed by now. U can clearly see in his programs hes a confident and funny guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Spungo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you live in a cave Richard? OK, I admit 95% may have been a bit off... it&#039;s actually much closer to 100%. 

I&#039;m 29 and LITERALLY every male friend I have is FULLY aware of the &quot;seduction community&quot;. I agree with you that most men do c/f completely wrong, but the fact is that the VAST majority of men are now using c/f, negs, etc.

It&#039;s overdone and women can spot it a mile away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you live in a cave Richard? OK, I admit 95% may have been a bit off&#8230; it&#8217;s actually much closer to 100%. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m 29 and LITERALLY every male friend I have is FULLY aware of the &#8220;seduction community&#8221;. I agree with you that most men do c/f completely wrong, but the fact is that the VAST majority of men are now using c/f, negs, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s overdone and women can spot it a mile away.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont talk crap, 95% of guys use c/f? 95% of guys dont even know about the seduction community. 95% of guys are clueless with women. And even those who are using c/f, are they doing it right? Its a skill and u can easily screw it up and have it backfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont talk crap, 95% of guys use c/f? 95% of guys dont even know about the seduction community. 95% of guys are clueless with women. And even those who are using c/f, are they doing it right? Its a skill and u can easily screw it up and have it backfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Spungo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% Stephen. Laid back, masculine, and kind (not &quot;nice&quot;... kind) with a heavy dose of indifference works wonders (just as it always has and probably always will). There&#039;s a lot of truth to what David D says regarding women not being attacted to a push-over (or &quot;wussie&quot; as he puts it). That should be common sense. My hats off to him for reinforcing that point. But C/F is dead. It has died just like the cheesy pick-up lines of the 1970&#039;s did. C/F no longer sets a man apart from the crowd. Using it lumps him in with about 95% of the male population (no exaggeration) who is currently using C/F. Another thing to condider is that women have email addresses too. They have brothers, boyfriends, and other male friends who have clued them in on the whoe C/F craze. They (rightly) see it as manipulative and phony. Combine the fact that virtually all men are using it and that women see it as &quot;game&quot; and you are left with something that is completely ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% Stephen. Laid back, masculine, and kind (not &#8220;nice&#8221;&#8230; kind) with a heavy dose of indifference works wonders (just as it always has and probably always will). There&#8217;s a lot of truth to what David D says regarding women not being attacted to a push-over (or &#8220;wussie&#8221; as he puts it). That should be common sense. My hats off to him for reinforcing that point. But C/F is dead. It has died just like the cheesy pick-up lines of the 1970&#8242;s did. C/F no longer sets a man apart from the crowd. Using it lumps him in with about 95% of the male population (no exaggeration) who is currently using C/F. Another thing to condider is that women have email addresses too. They have brothers, boyfriends, and other male friends who have clued them in on the whoe C/F craze. They (rightly) see it as manipulative and phony. Combine the fact that virtually all men are using it and that women see it as &#8220;game&#8221; and you are left with something that is completely ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point Spungo.  I find that the laid back approach is now really strong, with the slightest bit of flirting thrown in at the absolute perfect moment.  But, everyone who is exposed to C/F overdoes it and it is very apparent now with so many guys using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point Spungo.  I find that the laid back approach is now really strong, with the slightest bit of flirting thrown in at the absolute perfect moment.  But, everyone who is exposed to C/F overdoes it and it is very apparent now with so many guys using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spungo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cocky/Funny has jumped the shark. The whole purpose of C/F was to set yourselrf apart from the crowd. Well, now every douchenozzle with an email address is using C/F all day, every day. At work, at school, in bars, on the street... EVERY guy is using the EXACT same C/F game to get women. It&#039;s overdone and lame. More importantly, women do not respond to it anymore. They see right through it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocky/Funny has jumped the shark. The whole purpose of C/F was to set yourselrf apart from the crowd. Well, now every douchenozzle with an email address is using C/F all day, every day. At work, at school, in bars, on the street&#8230; EVERY guy is using the EXACT same C/F game to get women. It&#8217;s overdone and lame. More importantly, women do not respond to it anymore. They see right through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Teone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Teone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These are not c/f lines, these are negs.&quot;

OK, Are you a complete dumbass or you just play one on the Internet?  Just for clarification.  

Wait, was the cocky/funny or a neg?  Well, I am sure you&#039;ll figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These are not c/f lines, these are negs.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, Are you a complete dumbass or you just play one on the Internet?  Just for clarification.  </p>
<p>Wait, was the cocky/funny or a neg?  Well, I am sure you&#8217;ll figure it out.</p>
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